After OpenAI agents hacked a rival company this summer, the word from Silicon Valley was “That’s it! They’re almost ready to kill us all!” But…are they? Really?

Guest: Paul Ford, co-founder of the AI start-up Aboard, technology writer.

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Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Madeline Thames-Ducharme and Patrick Fort.

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